Guru Gadhi Day in Espanola

Today our sangat celebrated Guru Gadhi Day (The day when the Siri Guru Granth Sahib became the Guru for the Sikhs). We started with a yummy breakfast hosted by Sat Want Singh and Kaur and then had a Nagar Kirtan procession to the Gurdwara. Winter really is starting to set in! It was quite windy today so it was very cold being outside. Brrrr….

This year the children again made an offering to the Siri Guru Granth Sahib. Each child had a square cloth which they painted or drew on and was then sewn together to make a ramalla for the Guru. Then today during Gurdwara the kids together presented it to the Guru and placed the ramalla on the Guru. They all looked so proud. I love things like this that get the kids involved in our celebrations and help teach them. Too often the kids take a back seat and don’t have a chance to be involved. Here are a few pictures.

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Nagar Kirtan Procession

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Some of the kids sitting on the truck

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Harogbind Kaur looking beautiful. (it’s also her birthday)

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Siri Chand and Gurujot watching the kids do some Gatka.

29 Responses to “Guru Gadhi Day in Espanola”

  1. nanki says:

    Wow the ramalla looks gorgeous..those kids are really talented!

  2. Great….Man those kids do look really chardikala and good.
    Gorgeous…hmmm for give me for bad spellings..
    DID THE KIDS MADE THOSE Rumaalas ?..

  3. AVIJIT says:

    being a follower of sikhism
    i am very happy to see the guru gaddhi day in espanola

    but there is one thing that bothers me
    why are women in the panj piyara’s
    in the second photo
    i am not woman biased
    but this is not according to maryada which our guru has told us…
    we are changing wat guru has told us
    women cannot be in the panj piyara’s

  4. Prabhu Singh says:

    Avijit Singh Ji, you are woman biased if you cannot understand that Khalsa has no gender. Furthermore, do not put words in the Guru’s mouth. Guru Ji never said women could not be part of the Panj Pyaray.
    Mai Bhago was a memeber of the Panj several times.
    We are Sikhs and we don’t follow false maryada. This display of true equality and honoring of real Khalsa virtues should make you proud, not bother you.
    May WaheGuru grant kirpa on you so that you see the true beauty of the Khalsa!
    WaheGuru Ji Ka Khalsa, WaheGuru Ji Ki Fateh!

  5. Deva kaur says:

    Hear! Hear! Well said Prabhu singh!

  6. AVIJIT SINGH says:

    hi, thx for the reply
    but can u tell me where is it written in the history of sikhs that mai bhago was part of panj piyare {mai bhago was a brahm giyani and we all respect her ..she fought with great bravery but guru ji did not take her in the panj piyara..acc to history} and if according to u mai bhago was a part of panj piyaras than tell me where did {at wat place and time}she delivered amrit sanchar to make singhs…………
    further more if guru gobind singh ji wanted women to be part of panj piyara than he would have done that at time of making the khalsa ,there were women present too in that crowd………khalsa is not woman biased i totally agree but i am talking about panj piyaras…….even at golden temple and all the other takht’s at the time of amrit sanchaar there are no women in panj piyara why?……………..

    if i am wrong please tell me

  7. AVIJIT SINGH says:

    if i am wrong then please let me know
    i am an ignorant person
    i oblidge my harshness

  8. M Singh says:

    Prabu Singh, excellent response!

    Khalsa has no gender! So what difference does it make if its a woman or a man! Who is higher and lower if both took amrit from the same khanda, the same battha, the same amrit of Guru Gobind Singh Ji?

    Nothing wrong with the woman representing Punj piyare and as Prabu Singh said, don’t put words in Gurus mouth, he never said there should only be men as punj piyare. Today you say no women should be punj piyare, tomorrow it will be women arent allowed to take amrit. Theres a reason Guru made as equal!

  9. AVIJIT SINGH says:

    waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh

    dear mr m singh, i know khalsa has no gender i totally agree with you…but my question arises for the panj piyara…..i also know that woman and men get amrit from the same batta and there is noWHERE written that woman can be part of panj piyara….if there is no proof that woman cannot be part of panj piyaras than i mus tell u my brother there is no proof by which woman CAN be part of panj piyara
    i had expalained earlier if woman was to be a part of panj piyara than guru gobind singh himself must have took woman in the panj piyara at that time………
    the way your suggesting is not the path as shown by our guru…ur changing it just because u feel its right…..ur questioning guru’s ways ……and this shows ur not a true khalsa…..
    …furher more i have consulted professors from khlasa college amritsar from sikh history and culture dept for the same reason
    if any body has any question please consult history books thoroughly before remarking….

    waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh

  10. khushwant singh says:

    Prabhu Singh is right.The first panj pyare were those who stood up to sacrifice their head on the guru’s demand.Incidently all 5 were men,that does not mean women cannot be panj pyare.I am an indian.I am fully aware of our narrow mindedness.Indian sikhs are their own enemies and also unknowingly enemies of sikhism.India is a male dominated society and it is difficult to see women as panj pyare in india.Harmindar Sahib still has problems with women doing kirtan inside.
    I think Avijit Singh instead of reading historical documents that there was no woman in panj pyare should make history by making women panj pyare so that in future this question shall not arise.

  11. M Singh says:

    “ur changing it just because u feel its right…..ur questioning guru’s ways ……and this shows ur not a true khalsa…..”

    “furher more i have consulted professors from khlasa college amritsar from sikh history and culture dept for the same reason
    if any body has any question please consult history books thoroughly before remarking….”

    Avijit Singh, thanks for your comments, let me tell you something, I am only 21 years old, I have not taken amrit yet. Tell me where I have questioned guru’s ways?

    But I will tell you it’s people like you who have created a “how to be a sikh” that is putting me off associating with fellow sikh brothers. I don’t know why people like creating this step by step guide to live as a Sikh, it’s all Gurus Kirpa and absolutely nothing else, there is no set way to wear your kara, to comb your hair, stop putting yourself in a box, that is not khalsa.

    So many people have forgot Guru’s primary teaching of being humble and killing one’s ego. Tell me where Guru said there should not be woman Punj Piyare?? Where is it written? I don’t care how many professors you know, Guru Gobind Singh Never said this. And further by propogating such words you’re only driving the women away from being khalsa.

    Guru’s message was of love and nothing else, and when I see these pictures I see baba nanak, that’s it.

  12. Prabhu Singh says:

    Unfortunately history has barely even recorded information about Mata Sahib Kaur who is the mother of Khalsa. However, one Gyani Ji who I really respect in Amritsar has read several historic texts which refer to Mai Bhago and other women participating as members of the Panj Pyaray.
    You’re right that women could have stepped up on the original day of Baisakhi. Also Punjabis could have stepped up, but they didn’t. The original Panj Pyaray were 5 men and none were from Punjab, so where is it written that Punjabis can be part of the Panj Pyaray? We don’t need it written because the Panj Pyaray don’t belong to any division, such as man/woman, Punjabi/not-Punjabi, they belong to the Khalsa. There is no Khalsa man and Khalsa woman, there is just Khalsa. Where ever there are 5, there is Guru Gobind Singh. There is a cultural pretext for not allowing women, but there is no basis based on our fundamental belief in equality.
    There is nothing being changed here, just as any other Panj Pyaray in the world, there are 5 Khalsa here.

  13. AVIJIT SINGH says:

    “”Incidently all 5 were men””

    right now wat guru ji did was incidently not his action but incident……good i could’nt expect a better answer from an indian singh…..

    m singh ji
    ur 21 i am not saying u to live in a box
    i am only talking about the panj piyara’s nuthing else………

    “””””Tell me where Guru said there should not be woman Punj Piyare?? Where is it written? “””””

    u tell me where its written where women should be part of paj piyara……..yes guru’s teaching is being humble and killing one ego…but wat does it had to do with the panj piyara’s

    “”propogating such words””
    now if i comment on something which is not right i am bring disgrace to my religion?…….

    1st piyara= bhai daya singhji]
    2nd piyara= bhai himat snghji
    3rd piyara= bhai mohkam singhji
    4th piyara= bhai sahib singhji
    5th piyara= bhai dharam singhji

    and not mai bhago ji
    all these are men
    this is the starting of khalsa from these 5 piyara’s
    guru ji wanted singh’s who are tiyaar bar tiyaar
    and women cannot be that

    not when we make a jaloos a we represent these panj piyara’s
    if guru ji wanted than he could have asked for women to be a part
    but there werent singh’s who used to question guru’s words
    today you have questionedabout the panj piyara
    next time you shall question why there werent women in the ten guru’s and why is tht bani in guru granth sahib not wrten by a female
    .,………
    in guru granth sahib all poet bhai ravidas ji, bhai farid ji, did there kirtan in guru granth sahib ji and no women
    ………..
    women has a part to play in khalsa try this in spiritual way
    woman is here to put sweetnes in khalsa …….
    mata gujri ji mother of khalsa played its role {she represented woman on the whole}
    she put sweetness in the amrit by putting sugar…this is the only way woman took part in the panj piyara’s
    ………………..
    prabhu singhji please tell the name of the giyani ji i want to meet him……
    ———————————–
    my guru was app mard agamrda c and brought mard agamrda in front…………
    ———————————
    harmandir sahib talking about that
    please people go there to listen to the gurbani and not going to see who’s singing and who’s not
    —————————————–
    “”istri roop cheri di nayaii””
    wrtten in guru granth sahib
    whether is men or female
    _________________________________________

    discussing this is leading no where coz
    gone are those days when sikhs never used to questioned guru’s bachan and his doing ………

  14. Gurjeet Singh says:

    M SINGH I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU !!!

  15. Gurjeet Singh says:

    I AGREE WITH AVIJIT SINGH TOO !!!

  16. Gurjeet Singh says:

    THANKS NOW I AM IN DUALITY !!!

  17. Prabhu Singh says:

    Avijit Singh Ji, you seem to have your mind made up, so it’s probably not important to have this discussion.
    I never said Mai Bhago was part of the original panj pyaray, I’m saying she is one of several Khalsa women from the past who later participated in the amrit sanchar.
    You wrote:
    “women has a part to play in khalsa try this in spiritual way
    woman is here to put sweetnes in khalsa ”

    I think this is a sexist and chauvanistic attitude. Women gave birth to all members of the Khalsa, and most Khalsa were raised by Khalsa mothers. Without women their would be no Khalsa panth. Khalsa knows no gender, and we all should add sweetness to the Khalsa, that’s the point of the sugar. You seem to think that women have a place in society equal to sugar.

    Where did Guru Ji write that the Panj Pyaray can be Punjabi? The same place he qualified women, when Guru Ji wrote “recognize all of humanity as one!”

    I can guarantee you one thing, so long as you do not honor and respect women in this life time, you will suffer. I invite you to ponder the deeper spiritual meaning of those words.

  18. Waheguru Ji ka khalsa!!
    Waheguru Ji Kee Fateh!!!

    AVIJIT SINGH Ji:

    What you are missing is that Khalsa is Khalsa. I don’t know if their is separate “Men Khalsa” and “Women Khalsa”.

    Even for a moment if I believe you that ONLY “Men Khalsa” can do Amrit Sanchar.
    Then I would like to understand, as to what so bad will happen if “Women Khalsa” as well serve in Panj Pyaara?

    Remember Guru’s message takes us out of darkness to light. But somehow we have spend so many ages in darkness that we have kind of developed liking for it. So sometimes for some of us, its difficult of shed simple things like our Punjabi men ego, the Brahmin’s attitude of seeing things divided et al.

    But it’s all ONE. And only that Oneness makes “a sikh” a real sikh.

    Guru rakha

    PS: Anyway thanks for posting nice pictures of sikhi in “chardi kala”

  19. bryan says:

    i am not sikh, so forgive me if i intrude where i have no knowledge.
    in my wanderings and studies i have understood that truly great leaders want to be ‘questioned’; they want their teachings and ways to be questioned if only for a better understanding.
    additionally i have understood that the leaders who teach love, peace, the shedding of egos, equality, do not teach that women are separate from men.

    these separations, inequalities are a major reason the world is in the turmoil it is in.

    as Mandeep has just said, “it is all ONE”

    p.s. thank you for posting this blog. i enjoy reading about different teachings and perspectives and i enjoy the stories and pictures you share.

  20. AVIJIT SINGH says:

    respecting woman i respect my mother
    i asked her the same question that should woman be allowed in panj piyara’s
    being a woman she said no

    there nothing wrong with khalsa
    i agree with ur sayings on khalsa but
    i am talking about PANJ PIYARA’S
    AND not piyarii’s

    guru ji wanted sikhs to be ready for all times and at all times
    but woman cannot be ready because of the mensturtion cycle they have {sorry to use the word}

    i think u shall agree with on this point
    do u think woman are forever ready
    answer is no
    _________________
    guru created panj piyara’s
    and not piyarii’s
    when we do amrit sanchaar woman cannot be in panj piyara’s because panj piyara represent
    1st piyara= bhai daya singhji
    2nd piyara= bhai himat snghji
    3rd piyara= bhai mohkam singhji
    4th piyara= bhai sahib singhji
    5th piyara= bhai dharam singhji

    try understanding the basic logic
    ur puting woman in panj piyara which one are u representing from 1 to 5

    i am not woman biased i respect my mother my sisters …….. my mother is working lady i never tel her she is not equal to men

    about mai bhago she never in the history took part in the amrit sanchaar as panj piyara…..

    from sweetness i meant
    about mata gujri she took part in the amrit sanchaar not as panj piyara but she put sugar in the amrit and this think is written in the history.

    see woman are equal we must give them respect
    but there are some limitation some boundaries

    living in usa going acc to law i agree woman are equal but in religion u cannot change wat the lord has done or change the traditions

    guru ji set a tradition of panj piyara’s not piyarii’s
    please please dont change this tadition just because u feel its not write

    please consult books ………
    its request

    i have asked puran singh ji head of akhand kirtani jatha about the same but he too was against panj piyarii’s

    its not about men its about the tradition
    which guruji himself set
    by changing it we are going against our guru

    mai bhagoji was a brave khalsa a sikhni….
    but in the history or in the guru granth sahib its not writen that mai bhago was a part of panj piyara in any form
    she was present at the time of guruji

    mu dear khalsa’s its not an ego its the tradition i want to protect .

    Waheguru Ji ka khalsa!!
    Waheguru Ji Kee Fateh!!!

  21. M Singh says:

    Avijit Singh,

    As Prabhu Singh correctly pointed out, none of the punj piyaray were punjabi so I think from now on there should no longer be any punjabi punj piyaray? Hey its tradition right? No punjabi came up during vaisakhi, thats yours and mine ancestors so that should mean we don’t have the right to be punj piyaray?

    See how stupid and pathetic the above sounds? Thats what your reasoning sounds like. If Women were not ready, why did Mai Bhago lead an army? Why not the singhs? Why did Mata Sundari lead the sikh army after Guru Gobind Singh left for sachkhand? Are you saying she wasnt ready? Are you saying Mai Bhago wasn’t ready at all times?

    Your asking me where is it written by Guru Gobind Singh Ji women are allowed to be punj piyaray? I am asking you where he said they were’nt allowed. Its a circular argument, you have no proof, if he wanted women not to be one of the five he would have written it down for us.

  22. Gurfateh!!!

    If still in doubt pls refer to Akal Takht’s Sikh Rehat Maryada (Sikh code of conduct). It nowhere says that women is not allowed.

    Google for a copy of Rehat Maryada.
    Or
    Go and get it here
    http://gurdwararichardson.org/joomla/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=40&Itemid=64

    (http://gurdwararichardson.org Downloads -> Books & Reference Material)

    Hope Guru Sahib will help us in evolving our perceptions & learnings.

    Rab Rakha
    Mandeep Singh

  23. Jaspreet Singh says:

    WJKK WJKF,

    As M Singh Ji rightly points out this is a circular argument with no end and only something that further shows the rift between Sikhs.

    With due respect to all, the fact that we as Sikhs have failed to spread Sikhi to the extent it could have is because we forget the actual message of the Guru and try to seek methods of getting into “Karam Kaand”, so that we continue to argue.

    What needs to be understood is that Sikhi is not about rituals. If we keep hair, it not a ritual, tying a turban is not a ritual there are concrete reasons in Sikhi for this, unlike other faiths where certain rituals can take you to GOD.

    Similarly allowing or not allowing women to be in Panj Pyaaras is not of concern. As long as a Khalsa does it shoudn’t be an issue whether its a man or woman. By trying to stick to a philosophy of only men doing something is right we are propogating a ritual.

    Somehow my current limited understanding of Sikhi only raises contradictions if I think about women not having the right to be in Panj Pyaare.

    Jaspreet

  24. Jatinder Pal Singh says:

    Dear All,

    This debate has been a long one & sparks off every time a procession photo is posted by Veer Gurmustak Singh Ji.

    I am no scholar & am very bad at debates but I have just one point to say. I would like all those who are against Women being included in Panj Payare to think about it & answer.

    You all must be aware that Sahib Sri Guru Angad Dev Ji Maharaj had established 22 ‘Manji’s or ‘Seats of preaching’. These were awarded to devote sikhs and they were ordained to preach Sikhism and even hold ‘Charan Pahul’ or Initiation Ceremonies. These chosen ones could initiate people into Sikhism on the behalf of Guru.

    Now we can say that they were supposed to ‘Substitute’ Guru Ji wherever he himself can’t be present physically. In other words we can say that they ‘represented’ Guru Ji.

    Our great gracious lord, Sri Guru Angad Dev Ji included one women in these 22 chosen ones. So it is evident that she had the same authority as the others to initiate people into Sikhism on Guru’s behalf.

    Later on ‘Charan-Pahul’ was replaced by ‘Amrit Sanchar’ by Sahib-e-Kamal Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj. Now if a women can do ‘Charan-Pahul’, why can’t she be part of ‘Amrit Sanchar’ ?

    If ‘Panj Payare’ at a Procession are meant to ‘represent’ the original ‘Panj Payare’ only, why don’t we address them as Bhai Daya Singh Ji, Bhai Dharam Singh Ji etc. instead of their original names ?

    If ‘Panj Payare’ at a procession or otherwise represent the ‘Spirit’ of “Guru Khalsa”, why not a women be part of it because she is also “Guru Khalsa” after baptism ?

    Kindly ponder on these & enlighten me.

    Guru Khalsa Sevak,
    Jatinder Pal Singh

  25. Waheguru Ji!!!

    I won’t blame AVIJIT SINGH for what he was arguing.

    Just by chance, this weekend in our local Gurdwara Sahib, one of my fellow Singh brought this issue. And almost all the members of our Gurdwara “punjabi” management committee was sitting next to me.

    And suddenly I saw a sense of unity in their responses..
    “It’s not possible!!!”
    “Guru Sahib never wanted this!!!”
    “Punjab pyaare may touch each other during ceremony!!!”
    bla bla…

    Fellow Singh was quite embarrassed. And he quit.

    So their is a wider audience whose perception has to be changed.

    Only Guru Sahib will make it happen. It seems Sangat in Espanola is blessed with that responsibility.

    Rab Rakha

  26. an aggravated youth says:

    “women cannot be in the panj piyara’s”
    Avijit Singh, what is wrong with your brain?

    “mai bhago was a brahm giyani and we all respect her”
    that’s damn right…you stand next to her and say what your saying to her face to face and we’ll see how much you get out
    “even at golden temple and all the other takht’s at the time of amrit sanchaar there are no women in panj piyara why?……………..”
    hmmm lets see, considering that women are prohibited from singing even kirtan in harimandar sahib, its not too surprising…maybe because…gasp-shock, horror,scream…it’s a MALE DOMINATED society..wow
    “ur questioning guru’s ways ……and this shows ur not a true khalsa…..”
    because you so know who’s a true khalsa and not….
    “further more i have consulted professors from khlasa college amritsar from sikh history and culture dept for the same reason”
    because they’re not biased either are they? Living in that society and all….

    “if any body has any question please consult history books thoroughly before remarking….”
    Please remember history – the accounts we have today donot necessarily reveal the bigger picture.
    “next time you shall question why there werent women in the ten guru’s and why is tht bani in guru granth sahib not wrten by a female”
    yeah…and so…your words reveal your ignorance…there are probably reasons for this…but hello lets just jump to conclusions and say its because women aren’t as good as men because oh there so could not be another explanation for it…
    the spirit doesn’t differentiate between male/female..its one

    “women has a part to play in khalsa try this in spiritual way
    woman is here to put sweetnes in khalsa …….”

    Haha what a joke…mata bhag kaur as well as NUMEROUS (refer to daughters of the khalsa blog) other women had more of an impact than being sweet…wake up man

    “harmandir sahib talking about that
    please people go there to listen to the gurbani and not going to see who’s singing and who’s not”

    exactly…stop looking and differentiating between female and male..hello

    “gone are those days when sikhs never used to questioned guru’s bachan and his doing ………”

    true I’ll give that to you…but sometimes its nice to know reasons for why you do what you do instead of not knowing its purpose and then just doing it ritualistically

    “i asked her (your mother) the same question that should woman be allowed in panj piyara’s
    being a woman she said no”

    I really don’t get why women don’t want to uplift one another…they suffer themselves and then never learn..perpetuate the same cycle…sad really (but all the same all respects to your mother…I don’t hate people just their mentality)

    “guru ji wanted sikhs to be ready for all times and at all times
    but woman cannot be ready because of the mensturtion cycle they have {sorry to use the word}”
    o dear he mentioned the m word…good lord grow up…you say it as if its something to be secretive and ashamed about
    now that you mention it..yeah…what about the menstruation cycle stops women being ready all the time…please tell me…because you’d so have experienced it
    you don’t even have any idea of the spiritual significance of this process and yet make stupid comments..
    “i am not woman biased i respect my mother my sisters …….. my mother is working lady i never tel her she is not equal to men “
    shut up…i am so sick of being told “Sikhism preaches equality blah blah blah…but oh yes you cant do this this and this oh and this too…please
    please open your mind…and take your cultural mentalities out the back door…we don’t have room for them anymore…your time of male ego is over…sorry…get over it

    i read your posts 2 hrs before and i couldn’t get over it…shocking…i cant deal with stupidity…i had to come back

  27. an aggravated youth says:

    yeah okay sorry for the harshness but sometimes you gotta say what you gotta say…if your feelings are hurt…well good..think about all the times females around this globe feel hurt, intimidated, harrased, controlled and used because of tradition…its gotta end NOW

  28. DR Sandeep Singh says:

    i think this guy better be ignored and may God bless him with wisdom.Dear all please pray for him and other such sick sikh souls.
    Dhan Guru Nanak
    Dhan Guru Nanak

  29. A British Sikh says:

    People have written that Mata Gujri Ji put sweets in the amrit – it was actually Guru Gobind Singh Ji’s wife – I used to think it was Mata Sahib Kaur Ji (mother of the Khalsa) but i have been corrected and been told it was Mata Jito Ji. I also think people should look deeper into the way the first five were chosen to be Panj Pyare – were they chosen for their gender, where they were born, what caste they came from or was it something more deeper maybe Guru ji can answer our questions through the Hukham Naama.The Khalsa has no gender – so why are we debating if men or women should become Panj Pyare. We must all pray and meditate more the answers will be revealed.