Supporting Each Other
Over the past few weeks I have been reading different things on the internet and hearing how some people have been criticizing the efforts of the organizers of the Sikh Student Camp which happens every year in England at the end of August. I went to this camp last year (2005) and was very inspired by the heart centered and open approach of the camp. It felt very welcoming to anyone no matter what, and strayed from being overly intellectual/dogmatic/guilt/judgmental. By the end of the camp I could see the joy and light that most of the participants had experienced. I felt like people had changed quite a bit in the course of the few days I was there. I know first hand that there is something to be valued in the efforts of those that organize this camp.
Why am I writing this? I have always felt that as humans, people, sikhs, that we have to support each other no matter what; Even if your fellow human is making errors or "doing something wrong". It is easy to get caught up in some type of thought of how you think someone is doing something wrong and what they need to change. It then can become a mission for you to "save them" and ensure that the correct thing is done. I think it is great to assist in helping others correct errors, but you have to also realize that what one may consider an "error" or wrong can be a matter or perspective. What you consider the "truth" may not be "THE" truth to someone else. So, just because someone has a difference perspective or approach doesn’t make it wrong or bad. We are all learning at different stages in our lives and there are many ways to learn. This is one of the reasons we have so many different religious paths and approaches in life.
I feel that one has serve others from the heart and not the head. So, if you feel someone is doing something wrong, let it not be a judgment or righteous battle to show the world the wrongs you think the person/group is doing. See if you can give them a friendly helping hand. You have to do this with love and an open heart. Ultimately everything is Guru’s will and is not up to anyone to judge or make right/wrong. All one can do is serve, and if you are meant to help some situation then great, otherwise it is up to the Guru to resolve.
I’m writing this because I am saddened to hear how some people seem to be determined to prevent the Sikh Student Camp from happening this year unless they do "XYZ" according to what they think is right or wrong. I was even asked to take down one of the Jaap Sahib videos that I had posted with Sukha Singh telling various stories, because apparently people were pressuring the management of the Sikh school where the camp is held. I’m not sure of all the details but apparently people felt that Sukha Singh was being disrespectful in his story about Bhai Bachittar Singh. Everyone I heard who watched the video learnt quite a bit and were inspired by the stories (myself included). I did not feel any disrespect.
My prayer is that we can all put aside our differences and try to see the things we have in common. We as humans are imperfect and make mistakes. Making mistakes is the a great way to learn. I don’t know any camp that does things perfectly. What is perfect anyways…and by whose definition of right and wrong? Guru Nanak was all about openness and understanding, tolerance and acceptance. He was about breaking down barriers and mindless rituals. I admit that I don’t know the details of all the issues people might be talking about relating to the camp, but the few things I did hear seemed absurd and incorrect. I was there last year and saw the many sevadhars who worked really hard to create a positive experience for those people that participated in the camp. This is something to be supported not attacked. I know from personal experience when people try to judge or criticize your personal efforts to serve in various ways that it can be draining and discouraging and sometimes make you want to stop doing those things because you feel that your efforts are unappreciated. So, please be supportive, or at least use your energy elsewhere to serve in a positive way.
I hope I have not offended anyone. It is my sincere wish to help. It just hurts to see fighting and debating about who is right and what someone is doing wrong. Our life energy on this earth is very precious and shouldn’t be wasted. It can be used to uplift humanity and serve, or spread negativity and destroy. So I hope that those reading this will meditate on things before reacting to situations. Tune into your inner truth to do the right thing and be a Gurmukh…..rather than Manmukh.
Ps. The organizers of the camp do not know that I am writing this. No one has asked me to write this and am merely doing so to show my support to the camp, which I had the privilege of being a part of last year. Keep up the good work!
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you mean the “colorful midget”?! Sukha Singh and Kamalroop Singh were two of the most knowledgeable and lively teachers during the Jaap Sahib course, and I learned so much from them. I do not feel they were being disrespectful, but providing anecdotal imagery to help us visulalize the history. I can tell you, I didn’t remember Bhai Bachittar Singh’s name, but I did remember the colorful midget who slayed the drunken elephant and recited numerous Japji Sahibs and Jaap Sahibs daily – point being those banis will turn you into a world class warrior! My impression of Sukha Singh is a dedicated, heart centered man with the Guru running through his veins. His work is full of light, and so I know the situation will be resolved with God’s Grace.
“People are often unreasonable,illogical and self centered,forgive them any way….give the world the best you have…” Today only i have read these beautiful lines of mother Terresa. I strongly believe that if you are committed and dedicated to Guru Nanak’s
mission in a truthful way no one can stop you to go ahead.Humble,devoted, enlightened,and brave sikhs like Sukha Singh and Kanwalroop are not dependent on any one’s timely or temporary support as they are the blessed sikhs protected by the Guru Himself with each breath.I am so proud to be with them during Jaap Sahib course at Espanola recently. An epitome of goodness and humility, a symbol of truth and morality,a piller of determination and an ideal image of a real sikh warrior Sukha Singh managed to capture the whole sangat present over there with his incredible knowledge of sikh historyand bani.May his exemplary vision always be the guiding light for the generations to come.
With all my love and best wishes,
Ravinder Kaur.
i agree with the above 2 posts. recently, i’ve seen a lot of criticism on the net about the sikh students camp. and i fairly know the crowd whos criticizing them, and i can roughly gauge which “jatha” they come from, but im not gonna point names here. i cant judge the camp, cos ive never been there, but since gurumustuk ji was there, he had positive feedback, shouldnt be that bad afterall, cos hes usually neutral frank and honest… looking at his previous posts.
BUT
i did attend camp miri piri 06 in singapore. and it was a very open, neutral camp of sorts. of course, it did have its restrictions and disciplinary rules too. anyways, i was in the same bunk as chardikala jatha, and rana, the weapon dude. i remember, i was reciting chandi di vaar with a fellow campmate. rana came over to ask somethin important, so i paused, replied to him and continued. the dude with me wasnt very happy, and gave me a tonguelashing of sorts after the bani was read, like, you not supposed to talk inbetween. i guess, it was loud enough for everyone to hear.
one third of the ckjatha came over anyways, and told him, dude… if you say you cant talk while reciting bani, then you shouldnt talk at all, cos bani is inside you. he was struck. speechless. opened his eyes a little.
my point is, we may have different views, according to our different beliefs. but when we all come together, we should put that away, and not critcize someone just because they have a different way of doin things, or are more liberal.if you gonna impose your views on someone, or judge their sikhi according to your own metre,its gonna cause more conflict. if you feel what theyre doing is wrong, go approach em, like what gurumustuk said, make it your mission to educate em, just like how one of the ckjatha did to that guy. dont go slander em, or give em a public tongue lashing. chill out guys.
my humble 2 cents.
your awesome….
I am happy to know that there are people who wish to support fellow Sikhs and ensure the Chardi Kala of the Sikh community.
However, I believe it is dangerous for those who are not from UK, and not fully aware of the situation regarding Sikh Student Camp to be making statements in defence of this camp.
On Saturday 1st July, I attended a public meeting held at Gravesend Gurdwara, Khalsa Avenue, organised by our local elders of Gravesend with elders from Slough, Southall, East London and Midlands attending the meeting. This included ex-campers and ex-sewadars of the Camp sharing what they witnessed at the camp, which I am sure if anyone heard would be horrified by. These organisers acknowledged and accepted these statements. The meeting was filmed on video by someone from the Sikh Student Camp and was also recorded on MP3 by the Sangat. Previous to this meeting I had heard various rumours and Internet bashing, however this was the first time both sides sat down and the Sangat were made to know the true reality of the situation.
I don’t want to write an essay about all the things discussed in the meeting however I would like to share that some “very serious” issues were raised. The main issues, which I heard at the meeting, were:
a) Promotion of Sanatan Dharma, a fundamentalist Hindu interpretation of Sikhism, e.g. we were told that by campers that they were told that the kachera comes from Hanuman (monkey god), men dressed as nihung singhs cut themselves and put blood on the khanda of the nishaan sahib for 2 or 3 years running, and campers have been told that the “true guru” is not solely guru granth sahib but “three Granths”, i.e. dasam granth, sarbloh granth and guru granth sahib make up the “Guru”.
b) Lack of observance of Sikh code of conduct in darbar and generally the camp – the camp organisers admitted that a Big Brother style video was shown in the darbar which included campers singing Bhangra songs about women and liquor, also we were made aware that amritdharis which had publicly renounced Sikhism by cutting their hair were asked to do kirtan, clapping was encouraged in the Darbar. The camp organisers admitted that they had no control to control the situation.
c) Campers, but worryingly sevadars in the camp not observing correct behaviour with campers in particular females. It was admitted there were issues with “over friendliness” and a female ex-camper shared that sexually disgusting things were said to her for two years running and to her friends by sevadars running “discussions”.
The conclusion of the meeting was that the Elders said if the Camp organisers, 50 in number, cannot control a group of 10 people who attended the camp and afterwards admitted to the Camp organisers that they wished to sabotage the camp, then how could they control a possible 20, 30 or 40 wrong campers?
A lady who was in charge of last year’s security of the camp nicely summarised that “Security is the most important thing in a Camp. For any good camp you need excellent security. If we don’t have the man-power or capability to control campers then we shouldn’t do a camp.” An Elder said that the Sangat could send 30 or 40 men to help the security and “save the camp” however at the same time that would cause tension and aggression with those who attend the camp with the intention of causing trouble and fighting at the camp is not a solution but would be a further problem.
Deep and serious issue, so let’s not jump the gun. It’s good that we are all concerned and wish to help out. So let’s do that. I was happy that Internet Rumours and “Hear-say” were cleared at the meeting and the Sangat were made aware of the “THE” truth so that they could move forward to actually help the Organisers to address issues of immoral conduct, promotion of Hinduism in Sikh appearance to campers, loose behaviour and how basic Gurdwara etiquette has been observed.
So let’s pray and let’s try to do something positive. May God help us in keeping Sikhism’s purity and sincerity.
Gurdeep
thses incidents are very saddening.
I ask : why do I want every one to be exactly like me ?
Today morning I got the news about the fight at manji sahib.
1-2 days ago I read about the “jaikara” group in US , and some people criticizing it.
and now about the uk camp.
On chardi kala gursikh tells me regularly to never ponder on these diffrences , he says ” We are on the ‘Gursikhi’ bus …the one sitting in front will get the front view , the on on left will get the left view etc. but this does not mean that the on in front will come and tell others what they are seeing is wrong …. but he/she can surely tell that what I am seen in the front view is very beautiful , come and we will share the seat . ”
INSTEAD OF PULLING LEGS ; WE SHOULD GIVE OUR SHOULDER TO OTHERS , TO PUT THEIR FEET FIRMLY AND CLIMB TO HIGHR LEVELS.
if we start making lists of our diffrences it will be endless ….ragmala , dasam granth , sant mat , keski , nitnem , rehit , etc etc etc…..
INSTEAD we should concentrate on what we have have in common and clear GURU , WAHEGURU & KHALSA …. let the diffrences of opinion become irrelevant blurs on distant horizons.
may guru ji help us.
The camp is under scrutiny for a number of reasons. Over the past few years a number of people have been disturbed by individuals who are directly/indirectly involved in the camp.
No one wants to stop Sikhi parchar and no doubt there are some excellent parcharaks within the Camp, Sukha Singh being a prime example. Nevertheless the camps needs to tighten their security and review some of the disciplinary procedures they have in place.
Jasjeevan Singh
Hounslow, Middx. UK
Gurdeep Singh ji, it’s good that this is being discussed in a mature way. I hope things stay in a positive direction.
Keep in mind that there are always two sides of the story and things are not always as simple as it may seem from the outside. We can pick things out like this from any camp. Yes, there may be issues to resolve, my point was that we want to do so in a supportive way and not condemn efforts. It is no small challenge to hold a camp with 100+ teenagers. One cannot expect to control them. Kids are kids and will do as kids will do. You have to also keep in mind that many of the people who come to the camp are not Amritdhari and might have very little Sikhi in their lives. For many of them this is a chance to learn more about Sikhi and get re-inspired in an open way with a little freedom.
There were some Nihung Singh’s who had a certain perspective on different things. I never did see them teaching a class or preaching things like this to all the campers. People have a right to their opinion and can choose how they want to live. We cannot expect to shelter everyone from one way of thinking and what WE think is right. I think it is ok for people to hear other things that people do and believe. I feel that people should decide for themselves what is true.
>>Lack of observance of
>>Sikh code of conduct in darbar
I may be wrong, but I seem to recall that Guruji was in Sukhasn out of the main darbar. Also, this is a room which is not normally a Darbar which is converted for the camp. The way that you wrote the paragraph it sounded as if people were dancing and drinking in the gurdwara. I was there and it was fairly civil. It is one of those “matter of perspectives” and “you had to have been there”.
>>we were made aware that amritdharis which had
>>publicly renounced Sikhism by cutting their
>>hair were asked to do kirtan
Even if someone said “To hell with Sikhi”. I would always keep my arms open to accept them if they wanted to come back. I always get irritated when I hear things like some person being “Ex-communicated” from Sikhi. That to me is not Sikhi like. I know from personal experience that people come and go in their journey of life on this spiritual path and if we were to turn all those people away who cut their hair…because they made that choice at one point, I would think that is wrong. We should always have an open heart and accept anyone. This is the way of the Gurus. Snatam Kaur told me of when she was travelling with her jatha one of the music group had cut hair so they would not let him play with them. Also another time the whole jatha was being given saropas…and they didn’t give to the person with cut hair. This is a total insult to Guruji. We shouldn’t judge people like this.
Ok…I think I’ll stop here. I don’t mean to pick at every thing you wrote, I just felt that some of this is picking at things of the camp. You have to see the camp for what it is. A teen camp…and know that there are always issues and there WILL always be issues. We can pick these out and tell what we think is wrong, but in the end I feel that in spite of these issues it is serving a need that is not being provided by many others. We should support them and not spend so much energy focusing on what we think is wrong. We all have faults and should be focusing on our own first and foremost.
When it comes down to it… I think the camp is a great success. I was there….talked with most of them…slept in the same place with the campers packed in class rooms….participated in the events….felt the energy of the sangat…saw people change and grow spiritually….. and leave with a renewed spirit. (This was in spite of the many so called “problems” in the camp). THIS is what we should be focusing on.
I am in no way attacking or trying to debate with you about these. I’m just trying to make a point that we all have different perspectives and we are ultimately trying to provide an experience for people whether or not everything is done “right” according to your beliefs. I always try to keep an open mind and open heart and not be judgemental of others.
I hope people keep the comments neutral and civil so that we can learn from all this.
shouldnt judge people at all if you wana judge someone lets look in the mirror! i pray that this years camp be a success! every human on this earth is a sikh a sikh? a sikh is a learner! everything in existance is sikhi! traditions we all travel through but there is only one jewel at the end of the day! you know what that is!! lets just all be one adn thanks gurdeep paaji for your views i beleive you have a genuinly good intention there!
Definitely. I also appreciate those people who make comments and publicly show who they are. Too many people say all kinds of stuff under the guise of “Anonymous”.
Ive been in long debates with alot of people putting up alot of resistance against this camp lately.
They say people are in Sikh Saroop and playing bhangra on the vaja at night or ina pic that Ive seen of someone flipping the camera off with both hands {which looked egotistical}.They say these people visit hookers etc, which sounds far fetched to me because hearing of this makes you think “guilty until proven innocent” and tends to give a biased opinion until you really think about it. Its like saying someone killed someone, which will at first make you think they did, until you follow up with it and figure its a lie from a liers filthy mouth.
I know if a few people act stupid, it doesnt mean the whole group is invalid. They do this “beadbi” stuff behind closed doors, but remember they cant trick their way to God and God knows all for everything he has created.
Then they say these are the people who teach the children which isnt true. They might be a part of the camp but the are not the people in charge of it.
There is a little more but it sound like falsehood to me and doesnt deserve to be in a good area.{this site}
Also alot of people have been really racist against Gora Sikhs which I am, and are low blows just to prove a superiority from other Sikhs. I have though however have been hearing people say that most of the Goras seem to be more real and in depth with Sikhi and its teachings unlike alot of other Sikhs.
I personally am not a 3ho Sikh but I almost would like to live among them and not technically consider myself as a 3ho{even though I feel with Sikhi I and all do live a healthy, happy and holy life[it doesnt call to be white it calls to be healthy, happy, holy and if you live a GurSikh life you should have this basis anyway} because Ive been getting wrong additudes from most of the Sikh folds.
i get treated as Tankhiya but I foolow all the rules of Sikhi and if anything its mostly mona Sikhs that look at me this way. I have also been discriminated against in the Gurus Langar, but I will not let this remove even 1/1000 of an ounce of Sikhi from me, I will remain as a Chardi Kala Sikh.
Sorry about the long post but Ive seen who and what you are talking about.
SatNam
Waheguru Ji ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji ki fateh!
gurmustuk singh jee, i was also at this meeting, and it hurt me greatly that the main aim of this meeting was to close the camp and even at the end they said u have to stop this camp this year and maybe do it again next year !
everyone had already made their mind up before the sikh student guys could even give there side of the story, is this is the way siks are going to encourage there youth to do parchaar then shame on them, shame on them for being sikhs and shame on them for insulting fellow brothers and sisters like that. i feel sad to say this but it makes us think twice if we actually want to be siks with people like that around, i was greatly hurt and saddened that they ataacked sukha singh in such a harsh manner, not physically but they verbally they said alot of insulting comments, even asking him to take his bana off. this is todays panth people, please save it if u can otherwise we are doomed !
they had no encouraging comments at all, they where on the attack from the word go, and this really did shake the sikh student guys, these are young guys doing sewa, sewa for free in other words. i sometimes think why these guys even do this type of sewa considering the trouble it causes, on the basis that one camp is trying to close another camp.
a sad day for us all, because maybe because of this slandering and insults a great camp will close down, what a shame, and i think if this happens we should all hold our heads in shame.
I have no experience with Sikh gatherings, but 25 years of experience with gatherings of many kinds where questions of tolerance versus respect have been at issue. Clearly, there needs to be a balance. There needs to be tolerance for diversity. And there also needs to be respect for what the main focus of that gathering is, for the main reason why most of the people wish to attend.
So I am surprised that most of the posts on this subject advocate tolerance, while only a few advocate respect. If musicians don’t agree what kind of music to play, there will be disharmony.
I was glad to read in the post by Gurdeep Sandhu that the local people involved with the event have held a council concerning the complaints about the camp, but was discouraged to read that the organizers couldn’t do enough to control these problems because there were not enough people available to do security.
Yet in a way, this is a good thing. The best security is the kind that is generated by the people themselves. I would suggest that at the beginning of the next Youth Camp problems should be specifically addressed, that it be made clear to all attendees that certain *behaviors* would not be tolerated, and that the cooperation of everyone be requested in order to ensure that basic agreements were respected.
These kind of agreements would be those regarding the kind of *behavior* that is appropriate for any youth gatherings, such as a ban on violent videos, Bhangra songs about women and liquor, sexual harassment, etc.
Agreements regarding religious *beliefs* are more difficult to deal with, and I would suggest that these also be discussed with everyone at the beginning of the Youth Camp, so that different sides of issues could be made clear. For example, tolerance might be recommended for relatively minor differences in beliefs, like whether those with cut hair should lead kirtan. And in the case of more major differences, such as the advocacy of a Hindu interpretation of Sikhism, persons with these beliefs might be requested to refrain from advocating them during the course of the gathering, out of respect for the focus of the main organizers.
One of the most important lessons to teach the youth is that the Guru resides in two places, the Sri Guru Granth Sahib and the Khalsa. As potential members of the Khalsa, they should be given the opportunity to help decide what is and what is not acceptable at the Youth Camp, and to then join the organizers of the camp in seeing that these agreements are followed.
With respect, Sat Nam!
Bobcat (Robert Brothers, Ph.D.)
Arcata, California
Hi GM, How do?
I think that the humans are in great need of the Guru’s help right now if they dont listen to each other then what hope is there is resolving such issues….I suppose all we can do is pray and hope for the best.
Lots of Pyar
Kiran
P.S its 23* in London today, the suns not shining as brightly as it usually does and the work office feels stuffy too.:)
“People are often unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered; forgive them anyway. If you are kind, People may accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives; be kind anyway. If you are successful, you will win some false friends and some true enemies; succeed anyway. If you are honest and frank, people may cheat you; be honest and frank anyway. What you spend years building, someone can destroy overnight; build anyway. If you find serenity and happiness, there may be jealousy; be happy anyway. The good you do today, people will often forget tomorrow; do good anyway. Give the world the best you have, and it may never be enough; give the world the best you’ve got anyway. You see, in the final analysis, it is between you and God; it was never between you and them anyway.” – Mother Theresa
who cares what everyone else does??
I was present at the meeting and went with a open mind. I was left not sure whether the sevadaars of this camp can correct the errors being pointed out. One sevadaar admitted he could not guarantee these things will be put right. Another said she wasn’t sure whether they should hold the camp at all. The main sevadaars did not know of some serious incidents that took place as they were not informed by Gurmukh Uncle.
I had to take a good look at myself when I got home. I realised knowing something is wrong and not doing anything to correct it is a crime for a Sikh. I felt guilty as I knew of many goings on. I wish I could share them with you all to feel lighter, but I must now set out to try help those individuals correct their ways and ask for forgiveness from 5pyaare.
Fateh
I like the above comment – but i’d like to say any error that can be committed can be corrected – I was at the meeting as well and I saw those poor sevadars being maliciously mauled by so called ‘reprasentatives of the panth’. They held up extremely well despite abuse, fun making, and a violent shower of allegations (some fo which were false). They kept their grace, which is more than I can say for those who were verbally attacking these guys. I know some of the sevadars and they are determined to make this camp a success – despite all the great gursikhs like the one who posted above hoping that they cannot correct these mistakes. The sikh student sevadars will come back with an even more chardi kala camp than before.
love and peace!
fateh
Good luck to the Sikhstudent Camp sewadars. Believe it or not we hope you are successfully able to carry out the sewa you have taken on.
Whatever criticism was made, be it negative, please take it on board as if it was your older brothers/uncles advising you.
GurBar Akal!
Degh Tegh Fateh!
Khalsay Di Har Maindenay Fateh!
“One sevadaar admitted he could not guarantee these things will be put right. Another said she wasn’t sure whether they should hold the camp at all.” I agree with you an error can be corrected. But its not me doubting this, its the sevadaars themselves.
I’m just simply concerned about how long someone can be called a ‘poor sevadaar’. At what point does someone stop the use of their age as an excuse for a mistake. I am not a ‘great gursikh’, and don’t pretend to be, so please DO NOT call me one or refer to me as one. I really hope they come back with an even more chardi kala camp than before. Lets leave this to Guru Ji.
Love all.
Bro/Sis I don’t know why you felt you had to mock me in your post
Fateh,
Its nice to see you have so much humility on the internet – but bhai sahib or bhai sahiba where was all that humility when the poor sikh student camp sevadars were being mercilessly shouted at and made to feel guilty for things they hadnt done?
Chalo may we all live by ure name – may we love all –
peace and love
fateh
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh
I was present at the meeting but not for too long due to cirmcumstances out of my control.I’m sure that people from both sides are viewing these comments. It’s obvious this meet up was organised due to the allegations of which most are true and I know this for a fact due to a member of my extended family who attended the camp. People throwing the allegations took time out for this serious issue and should be applauded and nowhere in the meeting did they ever say that they were perfect.The people from Sikh student camp listened attentively to the allegations and acknowledged their mistakes including Sukha Singh who was willing to ask for forgiveness from the panj if necessary.
Now I’m not against anyone here but the most important issue is for us is to unite and grow on the basic Akal Takht Marayda and move forward and increase our Sikhe.Secondly we need to show to the world how great Sikhe is and why.I ‘ve said this a number of times before and would say again the need now more than ever is to have a MEGA Camp involving youth from all sides and continue discussions on Sikhe and move forward towards further learning. In this way both sides would learn further about each other and aknowledge each other further too. The end result would be Sikhe stronger in the youth and setting great examples towards oncoming people to the camps.If in this day and age if educated youth Sikhs on both sides cannot come together and resolve and learn from each other, move forward with progression and further Sikhe understanding then how can we call our selves Sikhs at all; who will the upcoming generatios turn to in future. Our previous generation have come into western countries out of poverty in India and done extremely well, built up Gurdwaras that are remarkable sight to see. But who’s going to fill them this is the responsibilty of us present day educated youth in these countries.The future in Punjab is already bleak, ours is already bleak first we had Gurdwaras by jatt paat differences , now presently we have Gurdwaras which are akj/federation/taksal/ how many more differences do we need.To prevent from further bleakness the youth of today need to awaken inclduing me , to come together and work as real missionaries for the Panth with real agenda not just seeking bale balee.
Some of us find ourselves defending our friends and fellow sevadaars. Whilst doing this we must look within ourselves and at those around us, and see the errors. If we cannot see these then we are blinded by our ego. I have no humility, lets not be mistaken, but Guru Ji has taught me to challenge all, including me and my friends. Hence I live with guilt and cannot be called ‘poor’. I make mistakes and then hide and pretend to be ‘poor’ and innocent and then lie to hide the truth. How can I be called ‘poor’.
The truth hurts and the path is hard. Your only true friend is Guru Ji.
Chalo may we all live by ure name – may we Challenge ALL.
Love All.