Comments on: Sri Dasam Granth and Guru Gobind Singh

By: ujjalbir

ujjalbir — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:35:00 +0000

My congrats to the Sikh Net team .They are diong a wonderful job watch out at one time the Khalsa Bana will be the most admired attire and people in the Sikh Team will be the harbingers of this .Let us enjoy the great bani of GURU GOBIND SINGH JI at times more you think the more you get entangled and complicated . The DASAM GRANTH IS A GREAT PIECE OF CREATION by the TENTH GURU please do not forget GURU GOBIND SINGH JI WAS IN PHYSICALform for barely four decades and look what immortal creations. The TENTH GURU never had any doubts about the place of GURU GRANTH SAHIB we ordinary mortals with little knowledge have confusion . MAY GOD BLESS THE SIKH NET TEAM . Iadmire them

By: Baljit Singh

Baljit Singh — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:44:43 +0000

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh

When we recite Jap Ji, Jaap Sahib, Swaayee, Benti, Anand Sahib, Reheras, Kirtan Sohila, Sukhmani Sahib, Barah Mah, Dukh Banjani Sahib, Shabad Kirtan.
Try to give a little depth thought about how you feel when you stay focused in it every Bani recited has its own sweet nectar of Amrit in which has a different feeling but Amrit is one but sweet nectar which goes in has a different taste to it.
The issue of Dasam granth cannot draw conclusion in a few pages or examples it needs us to be more near to Guru Ji.
When Naam is Hukam which Gurbani says “Jal Te Thal Kar Thal Te Kuva” “Haran Bharan Ja Netr Phor Tis Ka Mantr Na Janeh Hor”
which is so powerful but it also says “Tera Hukam Apar Hey Koi Ant Na Paveh”
which draws the conclusion the more nearer you get to GOD the more you can see & understand.
Also “Kita Pasoh Eko Kavaoh Tis Te Hoey Lakh Dariyaoo” One word of GOD leads to expansion of universes & universes.This word of God also resides with The Guru, so when that powerful word was said “Guru Maneoh Granth” I strongly feel we cannot keep Dasam Granth on the same spot as Guru Granth Sahib Ji, which is very universal in nature.
When someone has started coming to Gurdwara Sahib how can we tell him this beautiful saying of Guru Ji from Dasam Granth the very first few days “Pahla Maran Kabul Jivan Ki Chad Aas, Ho Sabna Ki Reen To Aao Humare Paas” But for Sikhs who have already given there life to Guru Ji they can sing it day & night.Beautiful Shabads like “Jai Te Gang” inspire the cowards also but it is for Advanced Stage.
If we get truly near to Guru Granth Sahib Ji we will recite Jaap Sahib with a totaly different way.
“Jaap” means after what do you feel & understand about Jap Ji after reciting it. So Jap Ji comes first & hence Guru Granth Sahib comes first.

By: Baljit Singh

Baljit Singh — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:13:02 +0000

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh
Gurbani says “Guru Mere Sang Sada He Nale”
It is a very very—– strong statement it cannot be ignored. It brings to my mind one day in Gurdwara when Gyani Ji was doing Katha & about history when Guru Arjan Dev Ji gave a Gutka of Sukhmani Sahib to one of his followers he asked for its meaning and Guru Ji replied as The Sikh keeps on reciting Gurbani they will get closer to me & know its meaning by themselves.
Another example of Katha from Gyani Ji was quoting from Guru Granth Sahib Ji that Guru Arjan Dev Ji says only Nanak knows the meaning of this.
Another example idol worship is not allowed in us but How did Dhana we all know realised God from the Stones Brahmin gave him, what came into play is Bhau (Love)
We take Sakhis at the time of Guru Nanank Dev Ji testing Bhai Lahna said to go on the tree and shake it so sweets can fall & the Sangat can be served the answer from his own sons was no but Bhai Lahna said it is not our business whether sweets fall from the tree or not I am just going to obey the Hukam.
More examples to follow.

By: Gurumustuk Singh

Gurumustuk Singh — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 00:44:17 +0000

Please wrap up any further comments. This dialog will go on forever and I don’t think will be resolved here. THe point of me posting these videos was to help educate people about some of these issues. My intention was not to start a debate.

By: lakwinder singh

lakwinder singh — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 20:51:20 +0000

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Harmanjit
Please provide us reference.Otherwise it is a fabrication form your end.

By: lakwinder singh

lakwinder singh — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 16:38:43 +0000

Dear All

God is creator and destroyer also.Kal is symbol for God as death.Mahakal is Great death.This is symbolism of God.Before criticzing divine compositions of Guru sahib do your home work.Read below from Akal Ustati

ਦਾਨ ਕੇ ਦਿਵਯਾ ਮਹਾ ਮਾਨ ਕੇ ਬਢਯਾ ਅਵਸਾਨ ਕੇ ਦਿਵਯਾ ਹੈਂ ਕਟਯਾ ਜਾਮ ਜਾਲ ਹੈਂ ॥
दान के दिवया महा मान के बढया अवसान के दिवया हैं कटया जाम जाल हैं ॥
He is the Donor of gifts, He causes to enhance the great honour, He is the giver of encouragement for greater effort and is the cutter of the snare of death.

ਜੁੱਧ ਕੇ ਜਿਤਯਾ ਔ ਬਿਰੁੱਧ ਕੇ ਮਿਟਯਾ ਮਹਾਂ ਬੁੱਧਿ ਕੇ ਦਿਵਯਾ ਮਹਾਂ ਮਾਨਹੂੰ ਕੇ ਮਾਨ ਹੈਂ ॥
जु्ध के जितया औ बिरु्ध के मिटया महां बु्धि के दिवया महां मानहूं के मान हैं ॥
He is the conqueror of war and effacer of the opposition, He is giver of great intellect and the Honour of the illustrious.

ਗਿਆਨ ਹੂੰ ਕੇ ਗਿਆਤਾ ਮਹਾਂ ਬੁਧਿਤਾ ਕੇ ਦਾਤਾ ਦੇਵ ਕਾਲ ਹੂੰ ਕੇ ਕਾਲ ਮਹਾ ਕਾਲ ਹੂੰ ਕੇ ਕਾਲ ਹੈਂ ॥੧॥੨੫੩॥
गिआन हूं के गिआता महां बुधिता के दाता देव काल हूं के काल महा काल हूं के काल हैं ॥१॥२५३॥
He is the knower of the knowledge, the giver-god of he supreme intellect; He is the death of death and also the death of the supreme death (Maha Kal).1.253

The above clears everything.Now coming to Kal ka.This word is separate Kal ka and not kalka as being put.See old manuscripts with Nihung singhs.It means of death again refrence to god.

Bhagauti is again symbol of God that dispenses justice.

Invaar shri Bhagauti ji ki there is a line

Lai Bhagauti durgeshah var jagin bhari

(Then Durga took her fire emitting sword)

Then read the invocation in the beginning.Guru ji writes

Tu hi Gurga saj ke
Daitan da naas karaya

( Oh God you created durga
o decimate evil demons)

The blasphemy committed by gurtej singh in that talk show is unpardonale.He has neither read dasam Granth nor he can comprehend Dasam granth.Many compositions have myths.He does not understand this.Myth is a story written with a view to impart moral lesson.

By: Jagjinder Singh

Jagjinder Singh — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 19:46:07 +0000

Check this classic link for information on Bachittar Natak.

Please read neutrally, without conclusions, this helps in judging what is best.

http://www.singhsabhacanada.com/Articles/Print/151

By: Harmanjit Singh

Harmanjit Singh — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:13:02 +0000

Bhai Kaanh Singh Nabha also says that a Sikh of Mahakaal drinks liqor and cannabis. Do you drink liqor and cannabis? Read Gurmat Maartund carefully for more. Bhai Kaanh SIngh Nabha also says it is alright to eat langar on chairs and stuff. Do you agree to both of the above statements and eat langar on chairs? Do you drink cannabis and liqor as per requirements for being a Sikh of Mahakaal?

By: Gurpreet Singh

Gurpreet Singh — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 08:59:02 +0000

Harmanjit, I have provided the definition of Mahakal as given by Bhai Kahn Singh Nabha. Also the quote makes it clear that Mahakaal is ‘Nirakar’…it cant be expressed in the form of an idol.

If you consider yourself a bigger scholar than Bhai Kahn Singh then good luck to you.

I have studied Sri Dasam Granth enough to understand the nature of slander against it.

My last post on this.

Congratulations to Gurumustuk Singh for sharing the above videos. Chardi Kala!

By: Harmanjit Singh

Harmanjit Singh — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 16:16:00 +0000

Gurpeert Singh, read dasam granth and then we can talk. If you have never read dasam granth aka bachitter natak granth, there is no use telling if Mahakaal is God or not. Mahakaal has 4 arms as per dasam granth. I am not taking this from someone else. It shows the lack of study you have done on bachitter natak granth. Read it carefully and make sure to read Mool Mantar from Guru Granth Sahib Ji and understand it before reading dasam granth. Then you will surely know who is mahakaal as per dasam granth.

Below is a talk on dasam granth which we had yesterday. It should make some things clear for now.

http://nirvair.ca/Multimedia/Radio%20Programs%20-%202008/005_Radio%20Nirvair-Feb%204%2C2008.mp3