I was driving home today and the guy in front of me had few bumper stickers like: “Born to hunt…made to work” (something like that) with a deer on the side. This guys loves to go hunt and kill deer. Now for me…I consider that cruel. However…how can I judge that person. He might have a totally different perspective that might be valid.

Anways…I think in time all these questions will be answered for people as we all get to know eachother (in person). I think the internet actually does a lot of harm and has negative effect on some aspects of Sikhi. Sometimes you have to just shut off the computer and actually TALK to someone face to face.

When it comes to 3HO, there are many questions that go unanswered, even when one tries to get answers, they are oftentimes ignored. As Niyara Khalsa said, things should be done according to Gurmat.

If we are one panth, and every other jatha- even with their diverse views still stands underneath one nishan sahib; why does 3HO have their own “nishan sahib?”

When the “minium” marayada of the ENTIRE panth has certain rehats which everyone falls under, such as the naming process, why do 3HO sikhs defer from this order and rely on numerology which our Gurus are against?

I have immense respect for Bhai Harbhajan Singh and the entire 3HO sangat. The sangat who has helped me in my path of spirituality is very diverse- AKJ, Taksali, 3HO, and people who don’t affiliate with any group, in the end all Sikhs full of love. I wish we could understand each other so the mudslining would stop.

I hope I can get answers to these questions.

Bindy Bains, I don’t think anyone is calling yoga as part of Sikhi? Who can define what “is part of Sikhi” anyways? Sikhi is so vast that it cannot be defined soley by rules and regulations. Myself and many others have realized the benefits of Kundalini Yoga, meditation, healthy lifestyle, and other things which Yogi Bhajan taught over the years. It has helped to inspire so many people and changed many lives. These are merely tools which can be used, or not. A Sikh can decide for him/herself. I see these tools as helpfull to the Sikh community at large which is hurting on many levels.

>>ppl are putting Yogi Bhajan on a very high level,
>>to the point of near guruship,

Some people have very high regards and respect for Yogi Bhajan (including myself) however it is not as “Guruship”. You really can’t make this judgement without seeing the whole picture. Many of the people from my parents generations were teenagers and had their lives change in a HUGE way as a result of the teachings of Yogi Bhajan. Our lives are literally molded based on the things he taught over the past 30+ years, so it is natural for people to have a high level of respect. I have pictures of Yogi Bhajan in my home. So what? They are not there to worship. Yogi Bhajan is part of my family and is a big part of my life, so I have pictures. There is nothing wrong with this.

One cannot take a situation or people as a whole and make a judgement. You have to see much deeper to understand things more clearly. Things are not always what they seem after first glance. Open your heart and give people the benefit of the doubt. There is no one way.

First off, i’m not punjabi, i’m native /aboriginal. jsut get that cleared up.

i would liek to say yhat my opinions are not baseless, since i have not mentioned anything about yoga about being anti-sikh (didn’t say that). However, we should not try to bring this form of meditation under sikhi, as it’s not kirtan or simran/seva. I respect yoga as another form of opening up to waheguru, as i do another form of meditation myself, but don’t call it sikhi.

I would like to also express mine and other ppls concern… some ppl are putting Yogi Bhajan on a very high level, to the point of near guruship, i’ve seen it… some videos of ppl dancing with a picture of Yogi Bhajan ji on the wall and some ppl hanging pictures of him elswhere. That is not , it’s already bad enough that we have pictures of the gurus, let alone pictures of others.

i respect him, but not to that point.

There are so many things that us Punjabis do that are also not healthy for all. I won’t go into details but alcoholism is one example. A lot of us don’t even use name Singh or Khalsa which is very unhealthy to all Sikhs. Also, who am I or you to judge someone’s spiritual connection to the Guru. Some get inspiration from pictures, some get it from visiting gurdwaras, some get it from reading Guru Granth Sahib quietly at home, some from singing, some from being quiet. It is all personal.

Everyone has things which are not healthy or positive. We are not perfect. The point of my post is to accept the positive things and not focus on the negative all the time.

In regards to Yoga…I suggest that you visit some of the communities of Sikhs and actually see what people do. Too often people talk about Kundalini Yoga as if it is anti Sikh, when in reality it is very aligned to the goals in Sikhi. You would never know unless you had a chance to experience it for yourself. Otherwise it is all talk and baseless opinions.