Izzat Di Punjab

33 Responses to “Izzat Di Punjab”

  1. Anonymous says:

    I loved that bhangra dance. It was fab.

  2. Anonymous says:

    it’s a shame that these bibia wear guru sahibs distar and the dance around with no repect fror their guru’s gift.

  3. Jaspal Singh says:

    Who ever said you cannot dance with a Dastar on? Shame on you for putting someone down.

    I believe they are doing a excellent job.

    ** I guess the Nihungs in Panjab who are high on bhang and eat ritual meat are doing good? **

    Bring it on.

  4. Anonymous says:

    I agree with what the second anonymous said!

  5. Anonymous says:

    nach nach ttapehi bahuth dhukh paavehi
    they dance and dance and jump all around, but they only suffer in terrible pain.

    nachiai ttapiai bhagath n hoe
    By dancing and jumping, devotional worship is not performed.

    sabadh marai bhagath paaeae jan soe
    But one who dies in the Word of the Shabad, obtains devotional worship.

    (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 158)

    What type of dancing should a gursikh do?

    har jan naachahu har har dhhiaae
    O humble servant of the Lord, let your dancing be meditation on the Lord, Har, Har.

    (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 368)

  6. Anonymous says:

    These comments are so ridiculous. So dancing is disrespectful to the Guru’s roop?
    Sikhs have been dancing bhangra for centuries, I think if it was against gurmat the Guru would have said so.
    Further the quote from the Siri Guru Granth Sahib does not apply here. The quote pertains to those who believe that dancing will bring them closer to God. These people are simply dancing for fun.
    You don’t know them, or how often they meditate on God. There is no such thing as an emotional, fanatic, judgemental Gurmukh. It is abusive to the Guru to use the teachings to justify your narrow thinking.

  7. Anonymous says:

    i think if u are going to share ur guru’s roop then u must take on his message. one person said that
    “Who ever said you cannot dance with a Dastar on?”
    it is when you have a khanda on it!
    i’m not on here to say that these people are bad sikhs and they don’t have a good jevan but this is crossing the line.

    i think what really took me is that they are bibia with dastars and u automatically associate that with an amritdhatri. in this case the dastar is being used as a gimmick for the yoga and not for sikhi.

    Sorry if it sounds a bit judgmental but I have tried not to be.

    Once again I apologise if I have offended anyone for I am still learning.

  8. Anonymous says:

    was this at a Gurdwara because it looks like a langar hall. this is just a question, ihave not already jumped the gun.

  9. Anonymous says:

    All I can say is that you need to relax and go out and have some fun! This close mindedness is what pushes people away from Sikhi. Just because you relate Bhangra and dancing in a certain way doesn’t mean everyone does.

    It is easy to judge others…yet much harder to make a change by being an example.

    I would hope that more people in the sikh community would judge less and spend that energy actually helping make things better.

  10. nofixedadderess says:

    mr anonymous(the one against the dancing),

    you make me sick….please do not mould the gurus teaching to suit ur revolting,narrow-minded,obnoxiously ritualistic and un-humanistic concept of Sikhism.

    Stop acting like u have a copyright on Sikhism and please go practice ur brand of psudeo-Sikhism in some secluded place so people do not associate scumbugs like u with us…..

  11. Anonymous says:

    nindhaa kar kar bahu bhaar outhaavai bin majooree bhaar pahuchaavaniaa
    By continually slandering others, they carry a terrible load, and they carry the loads of others for nothing.

    nindhaa kar kar bahuth vigoothaa garabh jon mehi kirath paeiaa
    Slandering others, you are totally ruined; because of your past actions, you shall be consigned to the womb of reincarnation.

    nindhaa kar kar narak nivaasee anthar aatham jaapai
    Slandering others, one lives in hell; within him is hazy darkness.

    baadhhae mukath naahee nar nindhak ddoobehi nindh paraaee hae
    The slanderous person is not freed of his bonds; he is drowned, slandering others.

    (I’m a different anonymous by the way)

  12. Anonymous says:

    Thanks for carrying the load.

  13. Singh says:

    This is part of the problem these days. Some kids wind up getting the impression that they don’t deserve to wear their turban or learn about Gurus teachings if they like Bhangra or because they aren’t completely fanatical.

    Its not either/or, black/white etc. Its the life you live.

    I have one thing to say to some of those “anonymous” guys – being a Sikh is all about love. If you missed that, you missed everything.
    You can read and quote as much Gurubani as you want, but without love you are like an ampty pot.

  14. Anonymous says:

    i don’t think this is about bringing anyone down and saying that they are not a sikh if they do this or that. but for those people that will say that these are “fanatical” views and that they are ” mould the gurus teaching to suit ur revolting,narrow-minded,obnoxiously ritualistic and un-humanistic concept of Sikhism” are completely out of order!
    if u went on any other sikh message board, bhangra preformed by amritdhari’s would have a negative reaction so why not here.

    i am not a perfect sikh( if i was i wouldn’t be on here or any website)but ask urself this if u was at an amrit Sanchar and you ask the panj pyaria if it is ok to do bhangra what would their answer be.

    and one last think ofcouse sikhi is about love, the love to tell someone they are doing wrong.

  15. kulpreet singh says:

    vaaheguroo jee kaa khaalsaa
    vaaheguroo jee kee fatheh !!!!

    i have always wondered what attracted the sikhs of america to bhangra?

    many of them are from italian and other origins but they chose bhangra, out of all dances.

    is it because they want to establish a connect with punjabi sikhs?

    shouldn’t the connect with punjabi sikhs be guru ji, and guru ji’s bani?

    shouldn’t punjabi and american sikhs enjoy each others company because aae mil gursikh aae mil thoo mere guroo kay pyaarae? shouldn’t we establish better relations with each other because ek pitha ekas kay ham baarak thoo mera gur haaee? why do we need bhangra as a common denominator?

    more disturbing than that, is the song that is being danced to. the main line is “hai, nee, asee margay, thera roop vaykh kay.”

    translation: “Oh, dear, I’ve died, upon seeing your beautiful face and body.”

    i’m confused as to how amritdhari singhnia could dance to that song?

    didn’t we already die for the cause of righteousness when we sacrificed our head to the guru? what is this about dying over the beauty of somebody’s roop (face, body)?

    i can understand the value of cultural celebration and unity and just plain fun – all of these things are accepted in gurmat

    but the choice of song, and the motivations behind why bhangra has to be the common denominator between punjabi and non-punjabi sikhs, is very disturbing to say the least.

    please forgive my mistakes

    vaaheguroojeekaakhaalsaa
    vaaheguroojeekeefatheh !!!

  16. Anonymous says:

    As an aspiring Gursikh, I enjoyed the bhangra dance as these bibia performed an excellent dance, while promoting Sikhism. Please don’t condemn someone; we all have our own beliefs in Sikhism. We all are Almighty’s children; learning and understanding Gurbani through SGGS. Please spread the word of Sikhi and help the needy rather than condemning our own.

  17. Anonymous says:

    from the picture before this post, it is clear that sangat had just had langar in this same hall where there is dancing happening now.

    in the history of the sikh religion, whenever there was dancing to immoral songs taking place in a gurdwara, those people were kicked out from the gurdwara and that gurdwara was taken over by gursikhs.

    what these singhnia are doing is completely disrespectful to mata khivi ji, guru angad dev ji, guru amar das ji, and countless others, for the following reasons.

    1) nobody ever sat on a platform in the langar hall as the bride and groom are sitting

    2) dancing to any immoral song, let alone such a “lustful” song as this one, is completely forbidden

    3) dancing in the langar hall is against puratan maryada and has never been allowed

    these singhnia and the whole sangat could be summoned to sri akal takhat sahib for conducting a dance inside of a langar hall.

  18. Singh says:

    I happen to know that the hall in question is used by that community for many things (all respectable), including serving langar.

    A little bit of innocent Bhangra by respectable girls is a lot less offensive than what we do in some of our Gurudwaras and Langar Halls; fighting and punching, using filthy language, even shooting each other, police SWAT teams having to be called, etc…

    If you want to talk of disrespect and disgrace you are looking in the wrong places.

    These American Singhs and Singhnia know something about Sikhi, you should trust them a little bit. Don’t think they will put up with some kind of amoral activity even near a Gurudwara.

  19. Singh says:

    In response to Kulpreet Singh;

    Don’t worry, I really don’t think these Americans became Sikhs due to Bhangra. I think probably their kids who studied in India got interested.

    In any case it is certainly not the common denominator by any stretch.

    I do know that Yogi Ji promoted it as a great form of excercise. And why not? They don’t have the sharab and other baggage we have.

    As to the lyrics, surely you would agree they are tongue in cheek. Just because you are Amritdhari doesn’t mean you can’t have a sense of humor.

    I almost died several times from seeing pretty girls when I was young. : )

  20. Anonymous says:

    its very easy to be critical of others but noone can be perfect.
    dont be too stuck up in rituals,it turns away youth like me away from gurudwaras who are mostly dominated by corrupt politicians.
    thts why you hardly see sikh youth with turbans in punjab villages nowadays

  21. Anonymous says:

    reply to the above post…

    please don’t use this as an excuse as to why you don’t go to the Gurdwara. It’s funny that you see all the corrupt politians who run the Gurdwara, but you fail to see Guru Sahib. It’s sad that you use corrupt politians as an excuse not to go to the Gurdwara to meet your Guru. What a shame.

  22. Anonymous says:

    I am sorry to be changing the tone here a bit but I am really curious about it and just want to clarify since there are so many ‘vidwaans’over here.

    Where exactly does Sikhism stand on the concept of romance/lust/sex?

    Is there any direct reference to it in Gurbani a all?I am sure there must be a lot of oblique reference but did Guruji ever write down something down very directly that flirting/pre-marital sex is bad or a no-no?

    I am sorry but Sikhsim does draw a lot of imagery from Hinduism and there are a lot of times when the work Kisna/Kisan is referred to as being God or divine even in the gurbani.
    Now,if the Gurus were against youthful flirting etc,why would they still equate kisna/kisan as being Godly or divine when that mythical God is considered as the master of flirting?

    Just curious……but I think its important because a lot of our kids are growing in a society where such things are norm and it would help if we have a solid evidence based data as to what our religion has to say about it……

  23. amrit kaur says:

    I think the dance was great – the coordination was impeccable and they had so much vigour!

    We make it a point here in the youth programmes run by the Sikh Sewaks Singapore to separate bhangra from the alcohol and the other stuff that is sometimes associated with it.

    It’s a great form of exercise and a whole lot of fun. More significantly, we view bhangra as a cultural vehicle that adds to the Sikh/Punjabi identity that we try and get young people to relate to.

    We have bhangra aerobics sessions almost every morning at our yearly Sikh camps and have organised a good number of alcohol-free bhangra nights for young people. Our young sangat has even produced its own acclaimed bhangra troupe, “Sher-e-Punjab” and the condition of entry into this group is wearing a dastaar (for boys) and not drinking or smoking.

    As for the girls wearing dastaars, I don’t think anyone would be interested in wearing a dastaar if it meant sitting sullenly in a corner at weddings and community events when the bhangra music starts. I’d like to wear one even less, if the people who wore them somehow felt they were better than anyone else because they choose not to shake their bodies and make a show of their piety.

    And lastly- the gurdwaras in many places outside of India functions as a sort of centre for the community. The Langgar Hall serves as an event hall for all manner of community events. Here in Singapore, we’ve put up plays on Vesakhi 1699, children’s parties, youth games, etc in various langgar halls. The thing about the langgar hall is that the sangat sees young people doing fun, interesting things and this draws them into the community.

  24. Anonymous says:

    First of all, those people who are cutting and pasting ‘quotes’ from Sikhitothemax SHAME ON YOU! This whole notion of typing your keyword in the search engine and clicking on two lines is so immature! Look at what you’ve brought Guroo Ji down to! Nothing more than an internet search engine..READ READ READ the entire ang first..UNDERSTAND UNDERSTAND UNDERSTAND the full shabad and lines in context! AND do not rely on standard english interpreations, look at other sources, look up words in your Punjabi/Sanskirt dictionary, research in Mahan Kosh..and then garner the essence in your heart…

    The sad thing is people are so hypocritical..one on hand they say dancing is wrong because it’s disrespect and bad lyrics, oh please! ON the other hand watching TV & movies are okay then? Spending hours on the internet being petty is okay? Looking at how UNFIT most Punjabi Sikhs are, these so called ‘Chardi kala Gursikhs’ what exericse do they do? For them Bhangra is way of burning calories and keeping fit. And so what that these girls did a dance for the married couple? Are you telling me that in Guroo Ji’s time and after this wasn’t done? That is pretty naive if you think so, but I forgot that most people read from Guroo Ji and read each word literally!

    As per spirituality, this will probably be too deep for me to understand but..think of what guroo ji means of dancing..it’s not meant in the literal sense (i.e. doing gidha), when you dance what happens? Your muscles relax, you become happy, your heart races..when you are filled with pyaar & bhagti you are but a DANCER in this world..

    Gurmustak Veerji, no one needs to give you reassurance..may Guroo Ji keep you, your family and the entire community EXALTED and dancing in PYAAR & PREM..

  25. Anonymous says:

    FUNNy how everyone sees Girls doing Bhangran and there are tons of comments..funny how no one posts about inspiration or bani or any of the other positive things on this blog..such a shame..

    READ THIS :

    Two buddhist monks were approaching a river. As the elder monk began to cross, he looked back to see his companion carrying a prostitute on his back, keeping her from being washed downstream by the strong current. The elder monk waited, and once the younger monk said goodbye to the prostitute, the two monks continued on their journey. The next day, the elder monk mentioned the incident:
    “How can you do such a thing? A Prostitute! A terrible thing of this material world! And you…you carried her on your back across the river. Why carry a person whose lifestyle is so opposed to ours? Have you no shame?”
    The younger monk responded:
    “Brother, I stopped carrying her on the other side of the river. Yet you continue to carry her all this way.”

  26. Anonymous says:

    first of all i would like to say this is a great insight into other sikhs lives. but i will never agree that amritdhari’s going bhangra is ok and i fail to beleive that saying this is putting someone down or rejecting them.

    this is a quote from anonymous

    “As per spirituality, this will probably be too deep for me to understand but..think of what guroo ji means of dancing..it’s not meant in the literal sense (i.e. doing gidha), when you dance what happens? Your muscles relax, you become happy, your heart races..when you are filled with pyaar & bhagti you are but a DANCER in this world.”

    i fail to understand where that comes in to-

    nach nach ttapehi bahuth dhukh paavehi
    they dance and dance and jump all around, but they only suffer in terrible pain.

    nachiai ttapiai bhagath n hoe
    By dancing and jumping, devotional worship is not performed.

    sabadh marai bhagath paaeae jan soe
    But one who dies in the Word of the Shabad, obtains devotional worship.

    (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 158)

    What type of dancing should a gursikh do?

    har jan naachahu har har dhhiaae
    O humble servant of the Lord, let your dancing be meditation on the Lord, Har, Har.

    (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 368)

    also where has gurbani been misquoted. it’s a shame when people
    give u a quote from bani and it is just thrown out the window. it’s bad enought that it has to be used in this argument but to be ignored

    it’s too bad it happned on this site

    i’m sorry if i have said anything wrong and please correct me

  27. Anonymous says:

    rather than giving this gurbani lecture to others please look at how well you and your children adhere to this interpretation of rituals before giving sermon to others

  28. Anonymous says:

    I must say, I did not know what to make of the bhangra dance at first. I loved the dance but was kind of flabbergasted to see Aamritdhari girls performing it. But after much deliberation with my self, I felt that dance had to be commended for:

    physical exertion

    the coordination is simply flawless

    sheer hard work

    team work

    the dance is not vulgar or obscene

    Surely the above pointers are not against Sikhi.

    The first anonymous (Harminder Kaur)

  29. Thanx for sharing that Harminder Kaur. Just so you know just because the women are wearing a turban does not mean they are Amritdhari. I don’t know who if any of them are Amritdhari. In any case..I don’t think it makes a difference because they are not doing anything anti-gurmat, I just wanted to point that out since everyone assumes we are all Amritdhari when they see any “western” Sikh.

  30. singh says:

    To the “anonymous” quoting lines of Gurubani above. Read it carefully and if necessary educate yourself about the context.

    These girls were not dancing in order to perform ritual devotional worship.

    With your understanding and conclusions how should a Sikh even participate in sports, have a secular hobby, or even have a profession for that matter?

    Mechanical engineering isn’t performing devotional worship either.

    Guru gave instruction to remember God throughout our daily lives. That is the real worship.

  31. Anonymous says:

    Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!
    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

    Pyare jio, there is nothing wrong with alot of dances, as they are expression of the mind. So people around the world express themselves through dance. Most of its is completely harmless, and for many it is a form of entertainment.

    However there are some dances which are based on a expression of lust, or a game based on attracting or flirting. The majority of the world do this.

    Gursikhs being on there path may see the harmless nature of the first and the very harmful nature of the second. Gursikhs do not dance at all. The fundamental reason behind this, is Gurbani teaches us to find the peace in this world full of the rat race of life. Once we find this peace, the pleasures of either of the above dances seem completely friutless. Instead as that peace turns into Gurbani Rass, the mind itself begins a dance of passion, but a dance with the True Beloved, Our True Husband, Akaal, The Jot of Waheguru. This dance is amazing, and the music behind the dance is “Ram Naam Sabh hai Raam Nama”. This dance is full of passion, but the body is full in a state of peace and tranquility.

    If I ever wished to do a dance I would do the last one.

    Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!
    Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

    -“Jagjit_Waguru” on Sikhiunleashed.com
    http://forums.waheguroo.com/index.php?showtopic=11592

  32. hmmm... says:

    I just wanted to post my interpretation of the shabad being quoted here, which may be right or wrong, who knows, other than Guru Sahib. Gurbani is understood on a person to person basis depending on their avastha and the knowledge and understanding that Guru Sahib blesses that person with.

    The shabad is about worship that is done through ego and not love. Without love people go one singing and praying without it having any effect, thus they are just wasting their time. People go on and on wasting their time, but without true love they do not obtain Naam. True devotional worship is love for Gur-shabad.

    Even though this shabad talks specifically about dancing and jumping around, I think that the shabad may be talking about any kind of worship done through selfishness and not love. I think this shabad is trying to tell us that even going to extreme lengths such as dancing and jumping around to showoff in pretend worship etc. will prove to be fruitless.

    I was also about to conclude that this shabad had nothing to do with this situation, until I saw the second tuk of Gurbani. And I began to wonder why this person put this particular tuk there and if it were somehow related to the first shabad, and to the overall message this person was trying to convey.

    I interpreted the second tuk as meaning, whether doing any kind of dancing, devotional worship or in this case just for fun, let that dancing be meditation on God. When people dance they feel happy, energetic, kind of like a tool to forget your problems for the moment and enter your own dream world. So this line of Gurbani is trying to tell us that when you meditate on Gurmantar you will also feel happy, joyful, lost in the charan (feet) of Vaheguru. Meaning let your happiness, fun, and joy come from meditating on God. Which I guess is what this person was trying to say.

    Again this is just how I interpreted the lines of Gurbani, I am not perfect so please forgive for any mistakes.

    I also have some other thoughts that I would like to convey to the sangat.

    “you make me sick….please do not mould the gurus teaching to suit ur revolting,narrow-minded,obnoxiously ritualistic and un-humanistic concept of Sikhism.
    Stop acting like u have a copyright on Sikhism and please go practice ur brand of pseudo-Sikhism in some secluded place so people do not associate scumbugs like u with us�

    I was really offended by this comment posted above, and by others who called people “fanatics� because they believe amritdhari bibian with keski should not dance. Please think of all the Gursikhs you have just insulted, imagine how many people may have read what you wrote and been offended. I don’t care whether you think dancing is right or wrong, but please do not call people “fanatics� and “scumbugs� and tell them to go practice their brand of Sikhism in some secluded place. Of all the people that posted against dancing none used such vulgar language, so please use your own advice and follow Guru Sahibs teachings, you know, the one where you don’t slander others.

    Who are you too say that individuals who are against people with dastaar doing bhangra are practicing a brand of pseudo-Sikhism. I don’t recall ever seeing or hearing Gursikhs doing bhangra in a langar hall before, it is these people who have gone against tradition and maryada. And the people who don’t agree with you are practicing fake Sikhism? Please open your eyes.

  33. Tarun Singh says:

    Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Ji Kee Fateh!
    I would just like to add my two cents: Let’s accept the premise that bhangra is good excercise, and that the bibian werent amritdhari, and that it was out of fun not attatchment for guru ji, we still see that doing bhangra in a place where guru ka langar is served is wrong. When we look at sikh history we see that there have been horrible consequence for those promoting dancing in gurudwaras… if you believe that I am a fanatic or that I am just out to critisize and put down American Sikhs please write a letter to the Akal Thakht, they will respond to you and clear up whether or not it is okay to do bhangra in a building shortly after langar was served in that building. I honestly look up to American sikhs for their zeal and enthusiasm for guru ji, but all the American sikhs who started critisizing other sikhs who do things wrong to justify their own point of view or vice versa we must realize that “gobind milaan kee eh teree bahreea, avar kaaj tereh kithe na kaam, mil saadh sangat paaj keval naam”. The way I look at dancing, I dont like it personally, but guru sahib has said to us that nothing matters except realizing guru ji and his grace through naam simran and meditation, and I must say American sikhs do a great job at this, but as per dancing after langar was served I am compelled to disagree.
    Bhul Chuk Maaf Karni
    Vaheguru Ji ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Ji Kee Fateh!